NEVER buy a brand new car. BUY a used one. We negotiated a great deal last year on a one year old car. We played hard ball and told them that we could only pay a certain amount and no more. They agreed and we got a steal! Of course, this was when the dealerships were doing horrible and they wanted to get rid of thier inventory. The car only had around 25,000 miles on it, was a year old, had only been a rental car and we paid about $4,000 under what it as worth.