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4th Grade AYSA Cheer & Football
« on: August 29, 2011, 03:15:20 PM »

There has been some sniping back and forth since Saturday after the 4th grade cheer coach decided to send the girls home after the first half because of the heat. 

The cheer coach's position is that some of the girls got overheated and they decided to send the girls home halfway through the game.

Here's my take:

I can understand the concern about the health of the girls, and I don't think anyone would have had a problem with their coaches giving them extended breaks to rest and hydrate, but just giving up and going home sends a bad message to our cheerleaders.

Youth sports is as much about character-building as anything else.  What does going home at halftime teach the cheerleaders about commitment, gender equality, their own ability to persevere in times of adversity, and the legitimacy of cheerleading as a sport on-par with football, baseball, or soccer? 

Surely this doesn't reflect the traits we wish to impart to our kids.

I want to give special thanks to the cheer parents that kept their kids at the field even after the rest of their comrades went home; the parents who told their girls that as long as the boys were out there fighting in full pads that they would stay to support them.

I greatly appreciate the heart of our Coyotes who played as hard in the 4th quarter as they did in the 1st and who, to the last boy, did so without complaint.

I also thank the football coaches who utilized the time leading up to the season to ensure that their players were properly conditioned and who on game day solicited extra help from the parents after the half to ensure that every boy was constantly hydrated and kept as cool as possible.

Those boys were an inspiration to all - the very embodiment of what sports are meant teach about commitment and strength of character.

The girls just learned that when the going gets tough, it's far easier to just go home.
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Re: 4th Grade AYSA Cheer & Football
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2011, 05:25:26 PM »
I totally agree with everything you just said....but I am married to you, so I may be biased.
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Re: 4th Grade AYSA Cheer & Football
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2011, 06:37:36 PM »
Well, I am the 4th grade cheer coach.  And YES, I made the decision to send the girls home after halftime. We have been practicing since August 2 to be acclimated in this crazy weather. But when it is 108 degrees outside and my girls are getting sick and dizzy, I am going to do what is in the best interest of my 30 girls. Saturday, it was leaving the game. I do not believe leaving taught them to quit or had a negative impact on their character building.  As the head coach, I will continue to do what I believe is in the best interest the 4th Grade Cheer Squad.

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« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2011, 08:18:05 PM »
I went home after 9 holes of golf yesterday.  Playing 18 holes would have destroyed me.

Anything above 100 is an " at your own risk" type level.

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Re: 4th Grade AYSA Cheer & Football
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2011, 08:43:15 PM »
Well, I am the 4th grade cheer coach.  And YES, I made the decision to send the girls home after halftime. We have been practicing since August 2 to be acclimated in this crazy weather. But when it is 108 degrees outside and my girls are getting sick and dizzy, I am going to do what is in the best interest of my 30 girls. Saturday, it was leaving the game. I do not believe leaving taught them to quit or had a negative impact on their character building.  As the head coach, I will continue to do what I believe is in the best interest the 4th Grade Cheer Squad.

I guess I just find it hard to understand why the girls, dressed in tank tops and shorts, couldn't possibly carry on while the boys, who were exerting themselves far more strenuously, wore 10 lbs of gear and went twice as long.

How could being told to abandon their team mid-game not teach the kids that quitting is OK? 

How does it not send a message to them that they are not as capable as their male counterparts?  I don't think that's true, but I think giving up half-way through the game makes it seem that way.  The next time those football players are faced with adversity - when they most need to call upon their inner strength to find that extra something to keep going, they'll have days like last Saturday to prop them up.  If they can play that hard for an hour when the temperature is 130 degrees on the field then they can do anything. 

What will the girls have to draw on from this experience?

Cheerleading already faces an uphill battle to be taken seriously as a sport -- episodes like this do nothing but harm the very institution itself.

Yes it was hot - everyone there was miserable - but given the implications of allowing them to quit on their team - to quit on themselves -  I don't see how that's in their best interests.
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Re: 4th Grade AYSA Cheer & Football
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2011, 08:52:19 PM »
I guess I just find it hard to understand why the girls, dressed in tank tops and shorts, couldn't possibly carry on while the boys, who were exerting themselves far more strenuously, wore 10 lbs of gear and went twice as long.

Maybe this is why there are more male CEOs than female CEOs?  Perhaps its really not about misogynistic gender bias.

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Re: 4th Grade AYSA Cheer & Football
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2011, 08:34:14 AM »
Everyone on this forum is entitled to their opinions. We are not talking about grown adults who should have just dealt with it. These are 8/9 year old girls (and some 5/6 year olds too). Why are people making this about equality, and man vs woman? That is crazy. Did you notice the other team did not have their cheerleaders there at all? Have you made these same comments on their forums? Just curious. I have been a part of AYSA for 8 years now with my son and my daughter. Every coach I have dealt with has always had the best interest of my child in mind. And if I did not agree with a decision, I would speak to the coach directly to try to understand their actions. As I stated before, I made the best decision for my 30 girls.

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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2011, 08:49:29 AM »
That is crazy.

I had always assumed the reason I was able to live without regret was that I made smart decisions one after the other. But somewhere along the way when decisions became decidedly more complex, and affected multiple systems, sometimes which decision was more right or more wrong wasn't as easily observed. Yet I continued to live happily in my decisions, which I then assumed was due to the perseverance to stick to the decisions I'd made without lament.

Further analysis reveals that I live without regret because I've never made rash choices out of character. At every crossroads, I've always chosen the more logical path. Perhaps not necessarily the easier path, nor the more fun path, but the one which would allow me to continue behaving in the manner I had become accustomed to.

That's not to say there hasn't been fun along the way. Sometimes the logical path is the more adventuresome of the two, and turning down adventure has also never been in my character. And of course since I find failure and fear fascinatingly effective teachers, I've also been known to choose those things as well from time to time to prove myself right, and sometimes to prove myself wrong.

In reading the INTJ community blog here on livejournal, I came across a thread where INTJs were scoffing at those who felt they needed to back up their statements with a resume of sorts - positions held or experiences had in which qualified their opinion - as not only unnecessary, but damaging to the posters reputations. One went so far to say that he would dismiss it out of hand if the poster felt he had to qualify his opinion.

Its truly amazing where I run into close-mindedness. The most open-minded and reality-creating personality group out there, and I run into this? Of course that's not the first place I've seen it, and it sadly won't be the last. No, the first was right here on this blog. Because I do believe experience counts. Its how I make nearly all of my decisions, and seek out new experiences to reinforce them. Which is why I'm flummoxed at those who'll state in the same breath that empirical testing shouldn't be placed above theoretical knowledge yet they have difficulty often making difficult choices. To me its crystal clear.

My son wanted to drop out of band because he was really enjoying P.E. at his new school and band would pull him out of that class every other day. We had a bit of a sit down after I cancelled his class because I was saddened to discover he pulled out of band before even trying it. When questioned about the importance of trying something prior to deciding, I settled upon authority.

Those who have opinions based solely upon theoretical knowledge really aren't living at all, and I've found them more close-minded than those who've walked the walk. Until you've tried and failed, you've never learned. But if you make choices based on something you've first set your hand to, you have authority behind your opinion - tangible, measurable authority.

And no one can take that away from you.

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Re: 4th Grade AYSA Cheer & Football
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2011, 09:08:00 AM »
My daughter is also on the 4th grade cheer squad. She was upset that she did not get to finish cheering the game. She was hot, but we knew that it is hot here, so we made sure she was properly hydrated before hand just as a football player would. She was just released to find her family in the stands with no notification to me that they were leaving.  We were told to keep an eye on them while cheering but we have also been told that we are not allowed on the field.  Because I believed that my child was safe with her team I did not follow them off the field and expected that they were going to cool down under the stands as they had in previous years.  I did not expect that my child would be walking around by herself to find me.  It was miserably hot, I understand that some might have wanted to leave if they were not able to handle the heat, however I believe that if the boys can run in all the equipment that our girls can stand there and cheer.

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Re: 4th Grade AYSA Cheer & Football
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2011, 09:09:23 AM »
I am a parent of a girl on the 4th grade squad who has cheered for a few years and I have never seen a team up and leave in the middle of the game. I am also a parent who stayed the remainder of the game to support the boys. My daughter and a few other girls wanted to stay and cheer the rest of the game, so that is what we had them do. In the past when girls got hot they have taken them off the field for 3rd quarter for a break under the bleachers in the shade so they could rest and cool down or have a bathroom break. Then the girls would come back and cheer. At the beginning of cheer we were told we would play rain, snow and so on and we would play when the boys play. Where was that statement true during this game? I do think that if some girls wanted to leave she should have pulled all parents to side and gave them an option. I do know other parents who said they would have stayed and allowed the girls to continue cheering if the coach wanted to leave. I was shocked to hear that my friends on the 1st grade squad stuck it out and cheered the whole game sat. We were the only squad to leave. Yes, I do believe that if the boys are all out there in their pads and helmets our girls should have stuck it out. I also believe that it sent a bad message to the girls walking off the field.

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Re: 4th Grade AYSA Cheer & Football
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2011, 09:17:22 AM »
Everyone on this forum is entitled to their opinions. We are not talking about grown adults who should have just dealt with it. These are 8/9 year old girls (and some 5/6 year olds too). Why are people making this about equality, and man vs woman? That is crazy.

You're right - we're not talking about grown adults - we're talking about 8/9 year old kids.  Just like the boys out on that field.

Even if man vs. woman isn't an appropriate comparison, football player vs. cheerleader certainly is.  Why should one group be able to cope and the other group not?

Did you notice the other team did not have their cheerleaders there at all? Have you made these same comments on their forums? Just curious.

I have no idea why they other team didn't have cheerleaders on the field - maybe their coach had a party to go to and didn't want to get sweaty.

Whatever the reason, I'm not particularly interested in what the other team did insofar as they don't represent my town or the sports association my kids play for.  Being a resident of Anna, I'm not in a position to feel embarrassed for Sherman.
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« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2011, 09:20:11 AM »
Being a resident of Anna, I'm not in a position to feel embarrassed for Sherman.

I was often embarrassed for Sherman.

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« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2011, 09:22:56 AM »


Did you notice the other team did not have their cheerleaders there at all? Have you made these same comments on their forums? Just curious.

I do know that in the past not all teams have cheerleaders.

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« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2011, 10:03:13 AM »
I guess I just find it hard to understand why the girls, dressed in tank tops and shorts, couldn't possibly carry on while the boys, who were exerting themselves far more strenuously, wore 10 lbs of gear and went twice as long.

Maybe this is why there are more male CEOs than female CEOs?  Perhaps its really not about misogynistic gender bias.

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Re: 4th Grade AYSA Cheer & Football
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2011, 10:19:42 AM »
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Did you notice the other team did not have their cheerleaders there at all?


I don't know anything about AYSA cheerleading, but some squads do not go to away games.

Personally, I am encouraging my daughter to participate in sports where people cheer for her vs. cheering for others.

I'm not a fan of Texas cheerleading and what it is used to do, and the politics and general snottiness/elitist attitude involved.

I grew up in Plano where the cheerleaders made the Mckinney "Fab Five" look like amateurs.