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SMOKING BAN TO BE VOTED ON TONIGHT
« on: March 10, 2009, 01:22:59 PM »
City Council Meeting tonight, City Hall Annex, 1930:

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12. (a)Consider/DiscusslAction regarding an ordinance amending the City of Anna Code of Ordinances by amending Part II, Article XXXIII. Health and Sanitation. by adding Section 1, Smoking. (Philip Sanders)

      (b)Gonsider/Discuss/Action regarding an ordinance amending the City of Anna Code of Ordinances by amending Part II. Article XXXIII. Health and Sanitation, by adding Section 1. Smoking. (Philip Sanders) City Council Meeting tonight at the City Hall Annex 1930:

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AGENDA SUBJECT: Discussion of proposed Smoking Regulations.

SUMMARY: Several Council members have expressed interest in adopting an ordinance that would restrict smoking in locations to which the public has access. During the November 25 Council meeting, I presented for discussion a draft ordinance that would restrict smoking in most locations to which the public has access.

The Council conducted public hearings on January 27, 2009, February 10, 2009 and February 24,2009 at which the public was invited to express their views on the proposed smoking regulations. Based on the feed back we received over the past few months, we have drafted two alternatives smoking ordinances for Council to consider. Both Ordinances are patterned after the City of McKinney regulations adopted in September 2007. The McKinney Ordinance was modeled after the City of Plano Ordinance also approved in 2007.

Ordinance A establishes a general prohibition of smoking is most locations to which the public has access including outdoor public spaces such as parks. There are exceptions outlined in Section 1.02, including an exception for private clubs (country clubs and fraternal organizations) where a separate smoking area is provided that meets specific physical and operational requirements. Ordinance A would become effective in three months on June 10,2009.

Ordinance B is identical to Ordinance A except that it provides the option for a restaurant to create a separate smoking area which must meet specific physical and operational requirements. Ordinance B would also become effective on June 10, but would allow a restaurant that must make physical modifications to meet the requirements, a total of six months (until September 10, 2009) to complete the modifications after which it would be regulated by all the requirements in the ordinance.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION: In the absence of some other regulatory mandate (such as a State Law) it is likely that there will continue to be pressure from the public to adopt an ordinance that restricts smoking in public places. If the City of Anna intends to adopt such an ordinance, we recommend that it be enacted now in the current environment before the City experiences significant commercial development. I believe that future business prospects will respond favorably to an ordinance that reflects the general public sentiment about this issue.

Original .pdf found here: http://annatexas.gov/Cms/Documents/03-10-09%20City%20Council%20Agenda%20Regular.pdf

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Re: SMOKING BAN TO BE VOTED ON TONIGHT
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2009, 01:46:07 PM »

Oddly, the only citizen comments during the aforementioned public hearings were decidedly not pro-ban.


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I believe that future business prospects will respond favorably to an ordinance that reflects the general public sentiment about this issue.


If that's the case, then the recorded public sentiment on this issue indicates that a ban is not in favor at this time.

Furthermore, the vast majority of the people to chime in on the discussion on this forum seemed to indicate at least neutrality on the ban if not opposition of it.

I think that even many of those who don't smoke and don't want to be around it can recognize that their dislike for a thing does not justify imposing their values on private businesses and the citizens who chose to patronize them.

This issue is not about smoking, it's about choice: The people's choice to vote with their wallet and the businesses' choice to cater to a particular customer base or create the atmosphere they choose.




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Re: SMOKING BAN TO BE VOTED ON TONIGHT
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2009, 02:01:29 PM »
It appears that neither of those two ordinances are truly reflecting the freedom to smoke if one so desires.  One says NO, the other says ok, but they will have to have seperate smoking areas that will require certain physical modifications.  Which, during these tough economic times, I don't know that many businesses will be making the needed modifications to allow smoking.

So unless there are other options, or I am missing something, it seems that the ban on smoking in certain places is going to happen.  Am I right, E/Drax?

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Re: SMOKING BAN TO BE VOTED ON TONIGHT
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2009, 02:03:59 PM »
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CITY OF ANNA AGENDA NOTICE -CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING
March 10, 2009 7:30 p.m. :... Anna City Hall Administration Building
The City Council ofthe City of Anna will meet in Regular Session at 7:30 p.m., Tuesday,
March'10, 2009, at the Anna City Hall Administration Building, located at 111 North
Pow~fI Pa.rkway (Hwy 5), to consider the following items.
Welcome to the City Council Meeting. Please sign the Sign-In-Sheet as a record ofattendance. If
you wish to speak on an open-session agenda item please fill out the OpinioniSpeaker
Registration Form and turn it in to the City Secretary before the meeting starts.

1.
. Call to Order.
2.
Invocation and Pledge ofAllegiance.
3. Citizen comments. Citizens are allowed 3 minutes to speak. The Council is unable to respond to or discuss any issues that are brought up during this section that are not on the agenda, other than to make statements ofspecific factual information in response to a citizen's inquiry or to recite existing policy in response to the inquiry.


Although how I copied it doesn't look pretty, it does show that the meeting starts at 7:30.  After a call to order and the pledge of allegiance, there is an opportunity for citizen comments.  Although the council cannot respond or speak to anything brought up, now is the last chance to give input on the public's desire of a smoking ban.  If you are pressed for time, but want to be heard, you should be able to be in and out by 8'ish.

If you don't speak out, don't complain about somebody doing something you don't like.  If you do speak out, then scream about it with all you got.  You earned the right.


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Re: SMOKING BAN TO BE VOTED ON TONIGHT
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2009, 02:16:26 PM »
now is the last chance to give input on the public's desire of a smoking ban.  


I have made it clear before that it really doesn't bother me if they ban smoking b/c it's not like I won't go to a place b/c someone can't smoke. And I will likely not be taking my family to anyplace that is just full of smoke. So I can see both sides, but I feel it is NOT the place of the government to tell a business owner whether he can have someone smoking in his building or not. I just think your "the publics desire of a smoking ban" is not completely accurate, just as Drax pointed out with his comment.

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Re: SMOKING BAN TO BE VOTED ON TONIGHT
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2009, 02:20:32 PM »
So unless there are other options, or I am missing something, it seems that the ban on smoking in certain places is going to happen.  Am I right, E/Drax?

They're not obligated to pass either of them.

The way it's put together is meant to allow them to have 2 possible ordinances to choose from, but they don't HAVE to do one at all.
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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2009, 02:21:25 PM »
Then let me correct my statement.

The public's desire, or lack of, a smoking ban.

Personally, I think the ban in McKinney is kind of goofy.  But that's just me.  I'm sure it goes both ways.

My main point was be heard.  

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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2009, 02:23:15 PM »
So unless there are other options, or I am missing something, it seems that the ban on smoking in certain places is going to happen.  Am I right, E/Drax?

They're not obligated to pass either of them.

The way it's put together is meant to allow them to have 2 possible ordinances to choose from, but they don't HAVE to do one at all.

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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2009, 02:26:00 PM »
Then let me correct my statement.

The public's desire, or lack of, a smoking ban.

Personally, I think the ban in McKinney is kind of goofy.  But that's just me.  I'm sure it goes both ways.

My main point was be heard.  

Ok..  We don't have the same thing to deal with here in Anna, but the bars/restaurants in downtown McKinney that had allowed smoking, were really hurt when they banned smoking.  So I guess if it's going to be banned it should be done before business come in but I still think it should be up to the business owner.

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Re: SMOKING BAN TO BE VOTED ON TONIGHT
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2009, 02:32:22 PM »
Aren't a lot of the businesses in McKinney struggling now that they have a smoking ban?  I know it is a PITA to go to The Londoner now.  ~j smokes and we have to carry all of our stuff downstairs and outside every time he wants a smoke.  I have heard that some other businesses on the square are in the same boat as well...
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Re: SMOKING BAN TO BE VOTED ON TONIGHT
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2009, 02:34:12 PM »
If people want it banned, now is the time to speak up.
If people don't want it banned, now is the time to speak up.

Once the time to speak is gone, it's gone.

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« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2009, 02:42:31 PM »
Aren't a lot of the businesses in McKinney struggling now that they have a smoking ban?  I know it is a PITA to go to The Londoner now.  ~j smokes and we have to carry all of our stuff downstairs and outside every time he wants a smoke.  I have heard that some other businesses on the square are in the same boat as well...

yes, all of them banned it..

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Re: SMOKING BAN TO BE VOTED ON TONIGHT
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2009, 03:36:53 PM »
So I guess if it's going to be banned it should be done before business come in

In which case it can be a very effective way to keep new businesses out...

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« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2009, 04:33:10 PM »
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So I guess if it's going to be banned it should be done before business come in

In which case it can be a very effective way to keep new businesses out...

That was my thought too.
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« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2009, 05:54:47 PM »
I do not know how this vote will go but I have tried to speak to as many folks about this issue as I could I did not keep an exact record but the overall was for a ban. That being the case I would support the option B which allows for both affected parties to have a choice. I had hoped to really get alot more feed back, so I could act in the interest of all my citizens, barring that. I am somewhat hesitant on my options, so we will see.
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